Difference between Alsatian and German Shepherd Dog (GSD)

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I have orally cleared this confusion many times to the dog lovers and general public aas well.

You will find people telling that there is difference in color between alsatian and German Shepherd. Some people act further intelligent to tell structural differences. Few say it is the size difference. An Alsatian is from Alsace in France and a German Shepherd from Germany.

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The name German Shepherd was used in America. The German Shepherds was used by both sides to fight during the war. But the British didn’t want to call their dogs German so they decided on the name Alsatian. Later, after the war, the Britisg changed the name back to German Shepherd Dog .There is NO difference between a German Shepherd Dog and an Alsatian. ( German Shepherd Training )

The original name is German shepherd Dog. During the world war britishers named it Alsatian, after the German French border area of Alsace-Lorraine.

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In 1977, post numerous campaigns by breeders the name of the breed was changed back to German Shepherd Dog; known as GSD in the short form. the German Shepherd Dog (Alsatian) has become one of the most popular breeds with pet owners, who consider them loving and loyal companions

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Rana

I am a dog enthusiast. Have been keeping breeding and showing dogs since childhood. I love German Shepherds. Owns a Golden Retriever called Mirchi. Another breed I facinate is GSD!


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Parakram
Absolutely right. A German Shepherd Dog (GSD) is also called Alsatian by some but the correct name is German Shepherd as recognized by Kennel Clubs and breeders the world over

By: Parakram | 14 Mar 2008

Rana
Yes German Shepherd is the new right name now

By: Rana Atheya | 14 Mar 2008

lois schwarz
There is no such breed as an Alsatian, there never was and still is not as of today. The breed 'German Shepherd Dog' is the correct name of the American German Shepherds that are registered here in America. The Breed 'German Shepherd' was accepted as a breed in the british shows.
The name Alsatian was only a nick name that was used to identify dogs who resembled the mixed wolf/dog which was a disgust (or suppose to be) as a slang or 'bad name'. This nick name or name calling of the German sheep herding dog was used to spit in the face of the german people and country. Alsatian was never a breed of dog and still is not today. An Alsatian is a person who was born in the town of Alsace.

All dictionaries and encyclopedias or other so called informative information sites are wrong in calling the gsd the same as the alsatian dog. there is no such thing as an alsatian dog breed and i really wish it would be stricken from the books. no where is the word Alsatian registered..... or RECORDED to be that of the German Sheepherding dog.

By: lois schwarz | 17 Sep 2008

Avijit Dutta
Correct me if I'm Wrong friends.
The name Alsatian was taken into consideration as recent as the Second World War when the Allied Forces chose to discard any word having a connection to the name Germany or German. They reached a nobel way to name the German Shepherd Dog (which had a dominant presence in their Defence Forces as Guard Dogs) as Alsatian derived from the German town of Alsatia, a place presumed to be the originating place of the breed.

By: Avijit Dutta | 26 Feb 2009

Parakram
What you say is correct but all over the world this breed is now called 'German Shepherd Dog' or GSD. Alsation is not the correct nomenclature and is not recognized by any kennel club or any authority

By: Parakram | 26 Feb 2009

lois schwarz
avijit1965, You say in your typed words (and i quote) "the name Alsatian was taken into consideration" Who considered that name? and if some person or club considered that name, is that all they did, just consider it? Again I say that nowhere is it recorded, registered, or written that the German Sheep Herding Dog was Titled or Legallized as the 'Alsatian'. It was a knick name, a slang name, not recorded or registered and never correct. The German Sheep Herding dog has been registered "German Sheep Herding Dog" and "German Shepherd's Dog". In the early 1890's the first German Shepherd Dog Club was formed for the then native German Shepherd's Dog. That name 'Shepherd's dog' was the name of any dog that helped the Shepherds (or sheepherders of Germany) herd flocks. Back then there was no distinction in looks. Mostly the people (sheep herders) were highly interested in the performance of the dogs. Those dogs dont really exsist any longer in my opinion... and since they were not uniformed nor bred consistantly they were not a 'breed'. A breed is an animal who begets itself consistantly as the genes are 'set'. The capt. set the genes and began the standards of temperament and character. The club set the looks when they began showing the dogs and here in America the akc judges and the breed clubs point system took over in the further development of what i call the American Shepherd.
The American Kennel Club continues to evolve the look of this dog here in America as they disregard temperament and character. Though i must say that there are some Kennels here in America who have recently began using the dogs for sheep herding once again...kudo's to them!

By: lois schwarz | 03 Mar 2009

abhijit dutta
hehehehahahaha.....u guys have spare time..i must say... how is this discussion helping the community ....in watsoever manner...wats in name... whether it be gsd ..or alsatian...how does it matter until the breed standards are defined...once the standards are held well defined...how does it matter whether it is called gsd or alsatian....or wat was it originally called n etc etc etc.... cmon guys kuch constructive karo....

i will give a gud topic.....
is the current posture of the show gsd...essential to improve the workin ability for which it was bred....originally the german shepherd had horizontal backs...n now it slopes down...vets worldwide say dat...it impaires the natural movement of the dog...

By: abhijit dutta | 04 Apr 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
i do not have much idea about GSDs but the slope you mentioned is there is all the fast running breeds. It is said to give them thrust for faster speed. Hence if you notice the breeds having slope and tail set down are faster in race to breeds with straight topline and tail at level. (source: Animal Planet)

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 04 Apr 2009

abhijit dutta
as far as i have seen racing breeds like greyhounds...afghans....saluki s...borzois....etc...are more famous n adequate racers...they dnt have the slopy back...and over angulated hind legs...prominent racing conformative characters include slender bodies....thin long tails...pointed sleek head...thin long legs and light footed gait...an all this traits are quite obviously understood as racing aids...where the the gsd stand in racing breeds? there is a documentary released by bbc " pedigree dogs exposed" it talks extensively of the over angulation of the modern day show german shepherd and international vets proclaimin that the over angulated hind and slopy posture is actually a hindrance in the natural movement of a four footed animal...the documentary has shown the movement of gsd in speciality championship show in probly canada and have claimed that the movement is altered from naturality and selective breeding solely due to cosmetic reason has led to the actual decline of the gene pool....and made the breed vulnerable to many ailments and health problems...

By: abhijit dutta | 04 Apr 2009

abhijit dutta
in fact al the wel known race dogs have taller slender bodies...ie more in height and less in length....arch back types...not slopy back types...
i was taken aback with shock n surprise to see so many hazards of selective breeding for man desired and designed conformation ...are we pure breed fanciers actually taking the breeds to their doom.....by runnin after conformation and show success....and in turn cursing them with diseases....weakness....inheri ted predispositions...all in al a vulnerable mental n physical state...

By: abhijit dutta | 04 Apr 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
the point you have mentioned is OVER ANGULATION . Under normal conditions, its not suggested to have this . The issue of BBC points mainly towards many breed standard of a breed. Like UK kennel has real breed standrads, AKC works on designing the breed, CKC adds some more features and hence we have multiple breed standard. So its mainly Club issues which wanna rule the show world and do not work on a uniform breed standard.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 04 Apr 2009

abhijit dutta
in fact al the wel known race dogs have taller slender bodies...ie more in height and less in length....arch back types...not slopy back types...
i was taken aback with shock n surprise to see so many hazards of selective breeding for man desired and designed conformation ...are we pure breed fanciers actually taking the breeds to their doom.....by runnin after conformation and show success....and in turn cursing them with diseases....weakness....inheri ted predispositions...all in al a vulnerable mental n physical state...

By: abhijit dutta | 04 Apr 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
well this is a sad story. Hence its always suggested one to get a pup after going through the breed standard and Origin of that breed. and follow the standards desgned by the club where the breed originates. Like for English Mastiffs, we have 3 breed standards., UKC,AKC and CKC. UK club is the original one which should be followed as KCI is affiliated with FCI which recognises UK club as for mastiff breed standards. In Nov 2008 some more Mastiff breed standard has been suggested for change which hopefully can be introduced later this year. This issue has to be collectively solved by breeders and buyers where both need to be educated and buyers should read more before a pup. lets hope for the best.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 04 Apr 2009

abhijit dutta
i have gone through some slideshows n comparisons between old fashion german shepherds n the modern version....it seems the old ones had much straighter or less angulated backs ...were better movers...n appeared more like a dog than a frog...(critics to the showline modern day gsd have started callin the gsd of today as half dog n half frog,quite n insult)....even today dogs used in police n rescue are more closer to the old fashioned dogs than the show ones we see.....knowledgefull dog lovers..plz hold this issue up...are we doin the right thing by promoting a posture n breedin for it just for the cosmetic reason ...

By: abhijit dutta | 04 Apr 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
this can stop once puppy mills, backyard breeders are controlled and per quality are sold on spay/neuter agreement. Show quality can be used if they are breeding certified by a qualified council. Else designer dogs will be always there

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 04 Apr 2009

abhijit dutta
its not bout the designer breeds....its our very own gsd...the ones in shows...big shows...is the angulated back and low hinds than fronts helpful to the breed in any manner...n gsd fanciers and even judges have always had a tendency to prefer the angulated specimens over the straighter backs...this will slowly erase the straight back gene frm the pool....just see any comparison between the old fashioned gsd n the todays one....there is a significant change...is this change for good for the breed or is it just for us ...n our own prefered choices....

By: abhijit dutta | 04 Apr 2009

lois schwarz
Good evening once again... abhimania I will direct this message to you as you started a new thread and a different topic... way back where the topic was discussed and stopped then redirected by you. It is ok to start a new topic and it is such a very good topic too, but...
there are reasons for rules. One rule is that a thread or topic should stay that thread or topic. If you would like to change the topic and start a new thread that is ok by me.... but, the rule is that we keep everything organized and keep to a topic.
Here is the topic
"""""Difference between Alsatian and German Shepherd Dog (GSD)"""""" Thus we discussed this topic..


now, you want to start a new topic but you both fly all over the board with many different topics and you do not stay with just one topic. What that does is it takes this thread all over the place.

This is your new topic and i suggest you start a new thread and take Doggie Dude along with you: *******is the current posture of the show gsd...essential to improve the workin ability for which it was bred....originally the german shepherd had horizontal backs...n now it slopes down...vets worldwide say dat...it impaires the natural movement of the dog...********* The reason i say this is because you wanted to disscuss this new topic and then you start talking about racing dogs... sshhheeesssh Now where in the breed standards of the gsd does it say anything about the breeds racing ability. Movement is far different than racing and speed. The german shepherd doesnt need speed, it needs to herd dogs.... sheeesh...
Now you can see why i say you guys are all over the board? if you are going to talk about the gsd's movement i would comment about that but not in a thread where two folks are discussing racing.. I would never jump into a thread where you guys do not know how to even discuss movement and then jump to racing abilities. I jumped into this thread about the name alsatian vs the gsd... then in my email i see youguys talking about movement, then racing... Do you see why rules have to be put in place to keep a thread going in one direction? Thank you, i will go now... Lois

By: lois schwarz | 05 Apr 2009

abhay
guys can we add pug breed to this thread as well......................:)

By: abhay | 05 Apr 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
Lois.. as i had mentioned already that i have no good knowledge of GSD and i said what i saw at Animal Planet. See in quote over there. And my views on general breed standards (which are mulitple in number for one breed) .Confusion starts when breeders refer different standards and judge understands some other standard. Hence all the mess.

As per my knowledge, Dogspot is working on new platform to have each topic discussed separately and this portal has grown very huge in short span of time. So such things occur.

For movement, racing etc whatever one knows/want to share can share here. This is not an expert view. Just a platform to know.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 05 Apr 2009

Parakram
Overenthusiasm by breeders of GSD to get that perfect slope is resulting in GSDs with a higher tendency for hip displasia. The slight slope in working GSDs was good in enabling them to run with the typical GSD 'lope' also observed in wolves for long distances. Its actually a very beautiful sight when a GSD runs in its typical loping gait.. it looks so energy efficient!

By: Parakram | 06 Apr 2009

abhijit dutta
Exactly...dat is wat I have been talkin bout..the slight sloping in d old fashion gsd..was meant for gud and had a important contribution in the functionin of the breed for which it was developed.that has now been exagerated to tremendous extend and has resulted in thousands of puppies been put down before time...n even a show winnin specimen are found moving unnaturally...(courtesy:pls go through the YouTube video links I hve posted earlier in this thread.) so I guess there should be a revision and revaluation of goals and targets of gsd breedin...n should be more health oriented than cosmetic value...n breeders should also kip in mind the welbeing of the dog in his mature ages..ftr it crosses the prime...

By: abhijit dutta | 06 Apr 2009

lois schwarz
Going through all the smoke and getting right smack down to the fuel that burned the whole mess, you must then go to the gsd breed club.
In every breed there is the corner stone of the breed, too bad it all comes down to the human being, but... it does. We are the ones who created all these breeds.
Let me go on... When humans sop educating themselves and those idiots are all that is left to carry on within these clubs, then there is no one who is educated on the important things that need to be known for the survival of the breed itself.
In the begining of the gsd the breed was created and used for sheep herding and the person who started this fantastic breed knew what he wanted. There was only one way to know if what he was breeding was going to do the job, and that was to use the dog for what the designer or creator of the breed, wanted to use the breed for.
The first mistake was in the breed standards. Breed standards must be set in stone and rules must be placed so that future generations of doggy lovers who think they know more than the other doggy lovers dont go 'voting' in changes to the breed standards.
To really understand why this slope occurs you must first understand the gsd breed standards and the why and why nots of each word placed within it.
If you will do this little bit of homework that i will present to you, you will probably 'see' much more than any one person could explain to you.
1. go to a breed book and take six breeds of dogs that you think come close to the gsd. maybe close in conformation? maybe close in herding... the job the breed was bred for.. maybe any other simularities...
2. Read each breed standard and highlight the gaits and the movement of each of those breeds.
3. Next look over the standards of these breeds which goes over the legs both front and back. highlight that in a diff. color
4. Now research the back, lungs, and neck...
Do you see a differance? What is the difference? What pops out at you the most?

You will find that the gsd is the only one that consentrates on the front legs and chest being the predominate force in the propelling of this dog. interesting? You may now wish to put it all together in your brain and think on all that you have read.

The breed standards are EXTREAMILY important and the evolution of the breed is based on these written standards. What will breeders breed for? Go over the point system carefully. See the difference in the collective points? When the Show goers breed for fame in the show ring the points are more important than the dog.
One day i hope that all breeds will stop going to shows and start going to trials where a dog can be judged on his ability to do the task he was bred for. then and only then can the human being stay on cource within the breeds he has created.
Lois Schwarz

By: lois schwarz | 07 Apr 2009

akhil

Alsace is not a town. Alsace (or Elsaß, in German) is the fourth smallest of the twenty-six regions of France. Alsace is the French name given to the land sitting around the river Ill, a western tributary of the Rhine. The capital of Alsace is Strasbourg through which the Ill flows. Following the Thirty Years War (1618-1648), under the terms of the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648, most of Alsace went to France. Following the Franco-Prussian War (1870-71), from 1871 to 1918, Alsace, as part of Alsace-Lorraine (Reichsland Elsaß-Lothringen) was part of the German Empire, until reverting to France at the Treaty of Versailles.

Since the 1970s, in the English speaking world at least, most breeders have referred to the breed as the "German Shepherd Dog". Up until the 1970s, however, in English speaking countries within the Commonwealth such as the UK, Australia and New Zealand, in part because of anti-German sentiment in those countries, the breed was officially known as the "Alsatian" (initially the "Alsatian wolf-dog"). To this day, the UK Kennel Club continues to refer officially to the breed standard as the "German Shepherd Dog (Alsatian) Breed Standard".

In Germany, where the modern breed was first registered on 22 April 1899 by A. Meyer, the founding secretary of Verein Fur Deutsche Schäferhunde, and Max von Stephanitz, the founding president , the official breed name is Deutsche Schäferhunde. The Verein Fur Deutsche Schäferhunde is the parent club that continues to set the standards, Korordnung, for the Deutsche Schäferhunde that most US breeders follow.

By: akhil | 03 Jun 2009

Parakram
German Shepherd Dog alias Alsatian. so the matter stands resolved. I agree with 'shepalutes' on the sanctity of breed standards and the hope that dogs will stop going to dog shows and participate in trials instead.
The GSD is an extremely intelligent and strong dog. Alongwith intelligence and strength they possess courage, fearlessness and unquestioning loyalty to the owner, protective of the owner's family,specially children.
The chest and shoulders are distinctive and strong and the issue of the slope/angulation is in the domain of breed standards but not a very important characteristic. The tendency among breeders to achieve angulation may not be in the best interest of the breed

By: Parakram | 03 Jun 2009

Varde-Borcar-Tadcodcar
After reading on the Alsatian Dogs, I have gathered the following points:

Quite interesting discussion on the Alsatian Dogs:

“Alsace is not a town. Alsace (or Elsaß, in German) is the fourth smallest of the twenty-six regions of France. Alsace is the French name given to the land sitting around the river Ill, a western tributary of the Rhine. The capital of Alsace is Strasbourg through which the Ill flows. Following the Thirty Years War (1618-1648), under the terms of the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648, most of Alsace went to France. Following the Franco-Prussian War (1870-71), from 1871 to 1918, Alsace, as part of Alsace-Lorraine (Reichsland Elsaß-Lothringen) was part of the German Empire, until reverting to France at the Treaty of Versailles.

“Since the 1970s, in the English speaking world at least, most breeders have referred to the breed as the "German Shepherd Dog". Up until the 1970s, however, in English speaking countries within the Commonwealth such as the UK, Australia and New Zealand, in part because of anti-German sentiment in those countries, the breed was officially known as the "Alsatian" (initially the "Alsatian wolf-dog"). To this day, the UK Kennel Club continues to refer officially to the breed standard as the "German Shepherd Dog (Alsatian) Breed Standard".

“In Germany, where the modern breed was first registered on 22 April 1899 by A. Meyer, the founding secretary of Verein Fur Deutsche Schäferhunde, and Max von Stephanitz, the founding president , the official breed name is Deutsche Schäferhunde. The Verein Fur Deutsche Schäferhunde is the parent club that continues to set the standards, Korordnung, for the Deutsche Schäferhunde that most US breeders follow.

“The current posture of the show Alsatian dogs (the current posture of the show...essential to improve the working ability for which it was bred....originally the Alsatian dogs had horizontal backs...and now it slopes down...Vets worldwide say that...it impairs the natural movement of the dog...

“On the contrary it is also said that the slope is there among all the fast running breeds. It is said to give them thrust for faster speed. Hence if any one notices the breeds having slope and tail set down are faster in race to breeds with straight top line and tail at level. (source: Animal Planet).

“As far as racing breeds like greyhounds...afghans....saluki s...borzois....etc...are more accepted n adequate racers...they do not have the sloppy back...and over angulated hind legs...prominent racing confirmative characters include slender bodies....thin long tails...pointed sleek head...thin long legs and light footed gait...an all this traits are quite obviously understood as racing aids...where the Alsatian dogs stand in racing breeds? there is a documentary released by BBC "pedigree dogs exposed" it talks extensively of the over angulation of the modern day show Alsatian dogs and international vets proclaim that the over angulated hind and slopy posture is actually a hindrance in the natural movement of a four footed animal...the documentary has shown the movement of Alsatian dogs in speciality championship show in probably Canada and have claimed that the movement is altered from naturalness and selective breeding solely due to cosmetic reason has led to the actual decline of the gene pool....and made the breed vulnerable to many ailments and health problems...

“In fact all the well known race dogs have taller slender bodies...i.e. more in height and less in length....arch back types...not sloppy back types... One may see so many hazards of selective breeding for man desired and designed conformation ...are we pure breed fanciers actually taking the breeds to their doom.....by running after conformation and show success....and in turn cursing them with diseases....weakness....inheri ted predispositions...all in all a vulnerable mental and physical state...

“Under normal conditions, it is not suggested to have this. The issue of BBC points mainly towards many breed standard of a breed. Like UK kennel has real breed standards, AKC works on designing the breed, CKC adds some more features and hence we have multiple breed standard. So its mainly Club issues which want rule the show world and do not work on a uniform breed standard.

“Some slides show comparisons between old fashion Alsatian dogs and the modern version....it seems the old ones had much straighter or less angulated backs ...were better movers...and appeared more like a dog than a frog...(critics to the show the line modern day Alsatian dogs have started calling the Alsatian dogs of today as half dog n half frog, quite and insult)....even today dogs used in police n rescue are more closer to the old fashioned dogs than the show ones we see.....knowledge full dog lovers. Please hold this issue up...are we doing the right thing by promoting a posture n breeding for it just for the cosmetic reasons...

“Its not bout the designer breeds....its our very own Alsatian dogs...the ones in shows...big shows...is the angulated back and low hinds than fronts helpful to the breed in any manner...n Alsatian dogs fanciers and even judges have always had a tendency to prefer the angulated specimens over the straighter backs...this will slowly erase the straight back gene from the pool....just see any comparison between the old fashioned Alsatian dogs and the today....there is a significant change...is this change for good for the breed or is it just for us ...n our own preferred choices....

“Over enthusiasm by breeders of Alsatian dogs to get that perfect slope is resulting in Alsatian dogs with a higher tendency for hip displacia. The slight slope in working Alsatian dogs was good in enabling them to run with the typical Alsatian dogs 'lope' also observed in wolves for long distances. Its actually a very beautiful sight when a Alsatian dog runs in its typical loping gait.. it looks so energy efficient!

“If you are a vegetarian and interested in having an Alsatian Dog at your dwelling place then be assured that its vegetarian food is available around the corner of your market in your town.

“To make it in plain and simple words, one must know that dogs are carnivores. One may suggest that Alsatian Dogs just do not survive well with vegetarian diets for they have a short digestive tract that is made to digest meat.

“An Alsatian Dog may have IBD (inflammatory bowel disease). They are prone to various stomach ailments. Before applying these tips, it is better to get ascertained about them from your doctor, who knows well about Alsatian Dogs.

“1. Good Alsatian Dog lovers feed a commercial vegetarian kibble and veggies for treats. It is also considered that it will be well-balanced, proper nutrition. Check whether you can supply the proper calcium/phosphorous ratio, all the canine essential amino acids, and proper amount/kinds of fats/oils when his food is cooked.
2. Among the top five allergens that Corn, wheat, and soy trigger food sensitivity.
3. Ask your doctor, whether
a) Avo Derm Natural Vegetarian Adult dog food.
b). Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Vegetarian formula.
c).Royal Canine brand vegetarian formula, could be fed to your Alsatian Dog.
Ask your doctor, whether a top variety dog food like IAMS or Purina Pro Plan could be more productive.

You may surf on the following sites:
http://www.breeders-choice.com /dog_produ...
http://www.royalcanin.us/produ cts/produc...
http://www.naturalbalanceinc.c om/dogform...

Will anyone guide me to filter them and arrive at certain bench mark about the Alsatian Dogs?

By: Varde-Borcar-Tadcodc ar | 14 Jun 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
The only thing i can add is about diet of GSDs. I have no idea about GSD breed standards

GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG
Weight Standards: m - 80 to 85 lbs., f - 65 to 70 lbs.
Height Standards: m - 24 to 26 inches, f - 22 to 24 inches
Coat: dense, straight, short, tricolored
Common Ailments: dysplasia, and gastric disorders


The German Shepherd Dog originated in the Alsatian Region of Germany. Today it is used world wide as a sentry, police dog, tracker, drug dog, search and rescue dog, and guide dog for the blind. The official name for this breed is German Shepherd Dog , though it is often called the German Shepherd or just Shepherd. For many years this was the only breed shown at AKC shows within the U.S.A. that had the word dog in its official name.


The German Shepherd Dog is unique because it has a very short colon in comparison to other breeds of the same body weight. For this reason a high fiber diet is required to slow the movement of food through this breed's digestive track, thereby allowing more time for the nutrients to be drawn out. This high fiber diet will result in a larger stool but better assimilation of the food. I caution that this fiber must be from the proper sources and the amount should be carefully controlled. Too much fiber or fiber of the wrong type can cause impacted bowels.


The environment for the Alsatian Region of Germany provided this breed with primary food sources of beef, wheat, and leafy greens like cabbage and alfalfa. Thus, its recommended a blend of these food sources as the ideal base diet for the German Shepherd. Conversely,the worst commercial food blend for the German Shepherd Dog would contain fish, soy, or rice

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 15 Jun 2009

Varde-Borcar-Tadcodcar
Thank you very much dear DoggiesDude for such special attention. God bless you. -Tad

By: Varde-Borcar-Tadcodc ar | 15 Jun 2009

lois schwarz
My goodness, what a thread this has turned out to be. hehehe... nutrition now... lol Ok, my comments... I have been breeding dogs for over 45 yrs. giving up my age here. I have been into a lot of games, but games did not 'turn me on'. I try something and if I like it I get envolved... I also feel that I can not say anything if i have never tried it, so i have tried all kinds of things. With all that I have done, my main love and happiness is in the breeding, genetics and health of a breed, so here I am. After 45 yrs of breeding all kinds of animals and breeds of animals, i have gathered that information and have come up with a new breed of dog. Why? Because i could not find one breed that I liked that did not have major issues. I liked the German Shepherd for its memory, its brain, its awareness and its willingness, but... I did not like what was being done to this breed. I could not find a German Shepherd dog that i liked any longer. I was very cautious about buying a gsd pup and wondered how long it would live and how much i would have to work with this pup to get it to be the dog i wanted. I bought an English Mastiff and loved their gentleness and kindness and lovablilty and NON HYPERness... and i got into them for a while (showing/breeding). I recieved a malamute and trained it then found out that as it matured, it decided (for itself) that it did not need to play obedience games and wanted to be its own boss. I also had a few more of them and showed them) I also found out that this malamute had a body to die for. If only the gsd had such attention by its breeders and club in that the gsd would have such a wonderful body... I looked at all the breeds and decided to create my own. Since i know a lot of folks who wanted what i wanted, i knew i would not have much trouble in finding homes for these dogs. (by the way, i am not talking about the proffessional doggy folks, I am talking about normal everyday folks with kids and family). So I created the perfect dog in my opinion. It is no longer a german shepherd dog, but it still has all that i wanted in my gsd. It is not a mastiff, but this new breed has included the wonderful mastiff lovability... and it is not the malamute but has the body that is sturdy and compact and is solid on its feet. It is not hyper, doesnt bark much, doesnt dig nor does it have the drive... It is the perfect house dog or companion dog. Know that i had to selectively breed for this for over 25 yrs to get this... it doesnt come over night or even in six generations...) Now about nutrition. These large dogs are meat eaters. They also do not have any major health issues so the nutrition factor is easy in this breed. If i was to raise pure breds i would have to factor into the nutrition or diet of the breed, to coinside with the problems of the breed. I do not like health issues, nor do i like to pamper a dog or a tree, or anything else in my world. If a pear tree doesnt do good on my property and/or doesnt produce what it is suppose to, we cut it down. You see i dont have time to mess around with anything that doesnt work or produce 100%. Why do anything half way? I have these dogs because they have no issues and i do not have to spend a lot of time educating myself on the problems of a breed and what i should feed a dog for the best results and best health of my dogs. If i had to do that, i would not choose that breed of dog to be around. My dogs eat bones from the butcher shop, meat from leftovers, scraps from the table mixed in with kibbles in which the first major ingrediant is a meat and the second ingrediant is a meat by product. Nothing upsets my dogs and they do not have any allergies. I do give them vit. b and coat oil from time to time. Also this may make a difference in the health of my dogs but, my dogs live in a pack situation on about an acre of land with running water, grass, bushes, trees, grapes, apples and other fruit trees. When they can they will catch and eat squirells and mice and even found a snake the other day. The snake did bite the bitch and i have been checking up on her, but she is not showing any signs of having any symptoms from the snake. They also eat raw eggs with the shell on them. Because they live like that, i bring at least three dogs a day in the house for brushing and a check over. (I just thought that this information may be helpful to some and am not saying that not giving dogs proper nutrition is bad or good... just commenting and giving my experience to all... hope it helps some of you). Lois

By: lois schwarz | 15 Jun 2009

Ashvina.D.Bativala
During Worldwar The Britishers & the Americans did not want to have anything to do with anything german so to play safe & dissassociate themselves with anything German the renamed the GSD Alsatian.

By: Ashvina.D.Bativala | 07 Jul 2009

lois schwarz
Around 1945 the only kennel club to 'officially' change the name of the gsd was the KCGB or the Kennel Club of Great Britian. The EKC (English Kennel Club) was founded in 1873. in 1859 the first dog show was put on in England. in 1860 the first dog show SOCIETY came into existence in Bermingham England and this was mainly for the english speaking people. in 1882 the french formed a kennel club. in 1911 the FCI was formed but disappeared during wwI. it was reformed by france and belguim in 1921.
As i said, only one kennel club renamed the GSD to "Alsatian Wolf Dog" and that lasted about 30 yrs until the rest of the clubs pressured them into correcting the name so that every kennel club would be on the same page. There was no breed called the Alsatians. A kennel club can and does change names per their own rules and regulations but that does not change the official name of the breed throughout the world. Only within that particular club was the name of the gsd changed. That kennel club had no legal right to change a name of a breed that was not even thiers. The only official name change can be done by the founding breed club in my opinion as they own the rights. the Verein fur Deutsche Schaferhund or the Society for the GSD was and is the largest single breed dog club in history and this club or Society owns all the rights to the breed and its name. During the early years of the exsistance of the german shepherd dog all sheep herding dogs within the country of germany were said to be german shepherd dogs and the Society did call their GSD's by the name of the Old GSD, but no names were legally changed thus the German Shepherd Dog is still the GSD. If you think that one kennel club can and has the power to change the name of a dog breed that doesnt even originate with them, then that is where all the confusion stems from.

By: lois schwarz | 07 Jul 2009

rahul
the anatomy of dog is definately diff in germany and england. true GSd r what we see in germany. in england, dogs are more streched in all over anatomy! the back and croup is streched more than GSD in germany! more pleasent are of germany.... even trotting looks so different in both types! the head of the dog in england are more pinted and thin compare to germany.....all and all most contries of world follow german standard not british standard, so called ALSATION are just for british......... thr origin is germany and only GSD attracts most people,....

By: rahul | 23 Sep 2009

lois schwarz
in my words and my opinion, i believe that if you have a gsd with german papers then you have a pure bred german shepherd dog. If you have an AKC gsd then you have an AMERICAN gsd... the GSD is the Largest single breed registry in the world !!!! The AKC has no right to register any dogs that originated in another country. I also feel this way about any other kennel club who wishes to register dogs that are not of its country. They just want to make money. Who do the american gsd club folks think they are to take another countries dogs and show them or judge them? also to change the standards as they see fit? that is not a gsd, that is an american shepherd dog... like the english cocker spaniel.. when they brought that dog over here and started breeding them here, akc put the AMERICAN name in front of it and called it the AMERICAN COCKER SPANIEL , that to me was the correct thing to do. It can not be the ENGLISH cocker spaniel when it is in AMERICA and being bred by AMERICANS... my opinion only... But i ask you guys.... ? does the AMERICAN gsd look like the GERMAN SHEPHERDS DOG? not in color, but in character, temperament, stature and in body conformation? In my opinion the gsd is totally different than the american gsd... (thanks for putting up with my ranting... hehe.. I actually wasnt ranting, just discussing.. i just get into it when it is about dogs. lol) lois

By: lois schwarz | 01 Oct 2009

shilpesh bade
Hello sir ,
how r u ?, i have a male pug, n also ve pomeriyan female, todays morning unfortunetly both they ve in sex (mating). but i dont want to gate such kind of mixed child. so wht can i do for her abortion.
Regards
Ar. Shilpesh Bade

By: shilpesh bade | 23 Dec 2009

Anil @ DoggiesDude
go to a vet asap and have something done. do not try any meds without checking with time and since you have just 24 hrs more before the sperm fertiles, rush the female to a vet

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 23 Dec 2009

Meera Jagdish
hi lois, I was gifted a GSD pup 3 yrs back. He has all the classic features of the GSD except that his coat is long haired and his colouring unusual- mostly glossy brown withes of black and white around the neck and chest. is he really a GSD?

By: Meera Jagdish | 25 May 2010

Ramkrishna Panicker
hey guys dont get confused with gsd and alsatian.......there are two ather breeds which resembles gsd..1.American Alsatian or Alsatian shepulate.2. East Eouropean shephered..some guys says east-european shephered as alsation..it is small but strong...i saw 1 guy who hav written dogs from england is stretched...actually he may hav seen an American alsatian..For more clarification search the following links..it is wikkipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A merican_Alsatian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G erman_Shepherd_Dog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E ast-European_Shepherd

By: Ramkrishna Panicker | 10 Feb 2011

Edgar
The Alsatian German Shepherd is a cross breed with wolf or other wolf related dogs with the original German Shepherd. Some examples of tehse cross breeds are the german Shepherd's cousins from Europe such as the Belgian Shepherd or the Checoslovaquian Shepherd. A guy from Germany who I know and got in the past many dogs in Europe told me about them and they are not German Shepherds from Germany, but cross breeds around Europe.

The Nazis scatered their dogs around Europe, but those dogs got mixed with other dogs around Europe. Keep in mind that the conquest of Europe by Germany was lead by soldiers and their loyal dogs. This is how the German Shepherds got spreaded out around Europe. I myself have an Alsatian German Shepherd dog. He is slim, really long, he has wolf apearance under his German Shepherd appearance, he is dark o top with a black face and plate or whitish silver color in his underneath areas. He also has at least three white German Shepherds in his pedigree. He is higly trainable, very smart and does not lack any German Shepherd behavior features. If you define a dof merely by breed name is a big mistake.

For example, The Caucasian Dog o Sarpanilac Dog is a breed from Cocosa-Russia and they have so many different looks in their fur and and colors. They all are related to the Kangal dog, Mountain Bernese Dog, Saint Bernard and many others. They are called in Europe Caucasian dogs because they are from Cocosa and even if they are not considered a plain breed it is not possible to tag each of them like a true Cucasian dog. Alsatian German Shepherd dogs exist like the Checoslovaquian German Shepherds and the Dutch Shepherds and the German Shepherd dogs. Breeds are not enough to keep track of the existence of the many varieties of dogs.

By: Edgar | 21 Apr 2012

Cass Lavallee
Yes, there is a difference between the two breeds. The most important is the height of the hips. The alsatian's hips are at the same height as its shoulders, thus preventing hip dysplasia. In addition, their personalities are different. I know: I've had both!

By: Cass Lavallee | 18 Nov 2012

Divya Sree Ponugoti
yes you are right

By: Divya Sree Ponugoti | 19 Dec 2012

Paul Seamons
I have read with amusement some of the nonsensical comments on here regarding the GSD. Stop pretending that you know about this breed and do some real research (NOT by watching Animal Planet!).

By: Paul Seamons | 31 Dec 2012

gspal
It is GSD in American English and Alsatian in British English. Simple.

By: gspal | 24 Oct 2013

Shyam Hattangdi
Though the Alsation and German Shepherd are the same, and as pointed out earlier, the difference in names was due to the fact that anything German after the WW was frowned upon, the correct name used now is German Shepherd Dog or GSD. That said, there are observable structural differences. The GSDs of America have become very 'angulated' because of the breed standard in the US - so much so that their rear legs can barely hold their own weight as a result of excessive attempts to follow a wrongly stipulated/interpreted breed standard. Similarly, even GSDs elsewhere in the world have changed due to attempts to adhere to breed standards that emphasise 'movement'. Emphasis on looks and pigmentation have added to the decline of the breed. The real unadulterated GSDs are perhaps those that were used purely as working dogs - those from the Democratic Deutsch Republic, DDR or East German stock. These dogs used by the border police of the country remained somewhat 'pure' as there was hardly any attempt to manipulate them to imaginary standards. They are relatively compact in structure, do not have much of a 'slope' and are generally sable or black. They have excellent working qualities. Attempts in the rest of Germany to keep the breed 'pure' by taking action like having breed wardens and requiring working titles before entering conformation shows have had little effect. Schutzhund titles, once considered a test of ability, have been diluted over the years by lowering jump heights etc. to disguise poor hips etc. and are thought of more as a "sport" rather than true working ability. This is why breeds like Belgian Shepherds (Malinois) are fast becoming the breed of choice for working dogs even in Germany.Thus a superb working breed has only few remnants of its original temperament and working ability. It is a sad fact that once a breed becomes popular it invariably gets ruined as anything sells due to the popularity.

By: Shyam Hattangdi | 04 Dec 2013


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