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Answers & Action needed on Fake IKG Advts

21 Feb 2010 | by guest105 | Posted in: Wag News

KCIAs I was going through the IKG 2010, I was surprised to the adv on page 44. It carries a photograph with name Hella Vlempa Si-Cy. the photographis there on the website of mastiffhills with the name Mastiffhills Zarra. Now, either Mastiffhill Kennel is cheating or Mr Milan Kaler & Billu Pehalwan are cheating KCI, IKG , the subscribers & dog lovers.KCI

This dog Ch Corado Sinko Zemplina is shown in adv in IKG as winner of 8 CCs. As per rules a dog ( above 1 yr) is not allowed to win more then 4 CCs. This dog Ch Corado Sinko Zamplina was adult when shon in 2008 at DKC, GKC & FCI shows. It should have been disqualified & owner should have been punished as the owners of the gave proofs of age as well of 8 CCs won to KCI ( Proofs are needed for publication of adv in IKG). As only KCI  can have proofs for this miss deed.

As per KCI rules, provisional registration of a dog was valid for max 6 months and valid for shows only. & during this period breeding was not allowed. Ths dog Ch Corado Sinko Zamplina was shown in DKC, GKC & FCI shows in 2008 with provisional number. The adv in IKG  August 2009 carries its adv with provisional number. This way provisional registration was used for more then 6 months. And was used for breeding purposes as there is an adv in IKG June 2009 page 37 by Mr Deepak Prem for pups sired by this very dog.

The KCI is now with all hard evidences. It should take exemplary action these people. 

 

Comments

Anil @ DoggiesDude
Hella is NOT in India. Emoke sold to someone else in Europe itself. At the moment of commenting , Hella is sleeping in Europe.

Nice to see Dog Cloning in India.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 22 Feb 2010

Anil @ DoggiesDude
Sorry i missed the comment about Mastiffhills. As far as Olesya & Svetlana are concerned, they can NEVER fake things like this as they are one of the best breeders in the world.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 22 Feb 2010

Dr Saurabh
it wud be interesting to knw reactions of ppl given in the adv. and also some kci authority if they r on dogspot!!hope this thread is not sent to back pages of the forum.lol

By: Dr Saurabh | 22 Feb 2010

Dr Devender Sangwan
I have just visited the site of Mastiffhills with web link http://mastiffhills.com/female s/zara/zara_.html The same photpgraph given in IKG Feb 2010, is there in ice at their site with name Mastiffhills Zarra . Even background has not been changed. It is needless to say the advertisers in the IKG have deliberately misrepresented facts with the ulterior motive of cheating innocent English mastiff enthusiasts.
One of the attachments shows that the pup were advertised in IKG June 2009. That means the pups were born before May 05,2009.The Adv for IKG June are to be submitted by 5th of May 2009. This proves that dog was mated in first week of March 2009. Where one of attachments shows the dog was with prosisional number upto atleast July 2009. This dog was shown in Delhi Kennel Club show in Nov 2008 & not in Dec 2008.
These are the same people who abused & threatened KCI Judge Mr Sharat Sharma in the presence of Distt Session Judge Mr Virender Singh & Mr C V Sudarshan.
Last year they used muscles powers, threats to get CCs & BOBs for the same methods and they succeeded. This reinforced their rowdy behaviour, & they became more brazen.
Had remadial steps were taken in time when I raised this issue last year at this forum, evil could have been niped in bud.
It is never too late. The KCI should wakeup and take some remedial steps

By: Dr Devender Sangwan | 22 Feb 2010

SUNNY
anil ji, what is meant by provisional registration .sir plz let me know

By: SUNNY | 22 Feb 2010

Anil @ DoggiesDude
whenever a dog is imported, there is an export pedigree which comes to the new owner from the place where the dog is imported.
when the export pedigree is verfied it takes some time. So for this duration, KCI issues a temporary KCI registration. This is known as provisional Reg and is valid for ONLY 6 months and cannot be extended.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 22 Feb 2010

SUNNY
thanx

By: SUNNY | 22 Feb 2010

SUNNY
anil ji,i have a female lab who littered 4 pups and i want to registered them with kci but my breeder told me rs.1500 for each pup registartion or he said apply at ur own risk. but the actual amout is around 500 . Sir, plz tell me can i apply for the papers

By: SUNNY | 22 Feb 2010

Gaurav
Hi Sunny

This specific blog is for a different topic. Incase you have any queries related to registration you may post it as a separate query in the QnA section of the website.

Gaurav

By: Gaurav | 22 Feb 2010

Dr Saurabh
thanks for such analysis by dr sangwan but i am sure nothg much will happen on the case as the adv is already published and many dog lovers who r not on dogspot wud never kne of the scam neither is kci gn to publish any errata on their part in its next issue.just one ques to kci,if they have authority to issue provisional certificate to the import dogs what stopped them for checking wen d adv was first submitted to them beyond the expiry date???this only shows where their actual proirities lie????conduct dog shows ..get money ..pub adv in ikg..get money?????why to blame ppl who abuse the system ,the system admin themselves do not bother at all abt the quality of dogs.have they ever published a white paper on total number of imported dogs brought in india and the bonafide owners.ideally they shd earmark certain space in ikg to no of dogs brought from abroad and the bonafide owners along wid expiry date of provisional certificate.then only it can be purely transparent ..otherwise its all a hogwash..we will read and forget in sum days

By: Dr Saurabh | 22 Feb 2010

Ashwani Kumar Gogar
hi first of all thanx to person who make this blog . he is right on his place . if everybody
know this issue then we can stop this type cheating . realy they r cheater and they r only "KUTTEYBAJ " not a dog lover . ikg is responceble for the addv. and ikg have same status for this cheating . beware from KUTTEYBAJ .

By: Ashwani Kumar Gogar | 22 Feb 2010

sonu kumar
It is really disgusting to have known that the people who call themselves as dog lovers and so called breeders that how low they can stupe as regards their morale to make some easy bucks by furnishing faque pictures and pedigrees and cheating innocent people.And as quoted by Dr.Sangwan that these people evan misbehaved with Mr.Shharat at Gkc show i would like to say that these people are a misfit in the dog game and should be tackeled sternly and friends it is high time that we the true doglover strongly put our foot down against such ceaps in the game and i would request the KCI and secretaries of all registered clug not to entertain thei entries in the coming shows and evan KCI should varify the facts and scratch their registrations and blacklist them as they are a menace to the game.

By: sonu kumar | 22 Feb 2010

sonu kumar
a sincere advice to Billu that he should go and apologise to Mr.Shharat agar usme kuch bhi sharam he.

By: sonu kumar | 22 Feb 2010

badboyz
how can you call them breeders? they just buy adult dog and know nothing about breed and only mate and sell puppies. Like Amit Gowda whose mastiff was a non producing dog but he produced hundreds of pups on papers. All Neomass pedigree is fake.everyone here in south knows about it.kci is also responsible http://bit.ly/bXxDp2

By: badboyz | 22 Feb 2010

badboyz
Photo of Corado is also fake. this is not the real Corado. Real one is thinner at hinds and has weak hinds.

By: badboyz | 22 Feb 2010

sonu kumar
yet another fact about corado enlightened by badboyz. it seems as if the entire setup of billu is a big fraud. Shameeeeeee on u billu.

By: sonu kumar | 23 Feb 2010

Ashwani Kumar Gogar
very sem sem to milan and billu . Leave the dog game and open a office to give tricks for fake works . They r not able to run this buss. Through these types pepole we have different name for abored . Very seak men

By: Ashwani Kumar Gogar | 23 Feb 2010

sonu kumar
A word of advice for billu: ab to kuch sharam kar le aur apni habits theek kar le tu duniya ko zyada der pagal nahi bana sakta. See people have reached the roots of your frauds. Aur apni kitni beizzati karvayega pehlwan.

By: sonu kumar | 23 Feb 2010

Anil @ DoggiesDude
why breeder bashing only... Manishji and badboyz said right that system is also to blame. when they know the rules how could they approve the advt. When i had given my advt in 2008, it was a color advt with prior confirmation via telecon but it came as blac n white and lost of paper work was asked. But seems Agrani and these have no rules so everything can be published in IKG.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 23 Feb 2010

Anil @ DoggiesDude
lots*

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 23 Feb 2010

Anil @ DoggiesDude
what i meant that KCI should take care of the advt as per the rules setup and no relaxtion should be given in any case which we have seen so far.

By: Anil @ DoggiesDude | 23 Feb 2010

sunny singh
golmaal hai bhi sab golmaal hai

By: sunny singh | 24 Feb 2010

raj singh
Hi everybody. Wish you all a very happy & colourful Holi.
As all the evidences are given in black & white. There is no reason why KCI should not take action. But considering its past record, can anybody suggest me what options are available to make KCI take action. Whether any legal course any be taken, I want to take this matter to its logical and legal conclusion. Is KCI covered by RTI?

By: raj singh | 01 Mar 2010

raj singh
Hi everybody. Wish you all a very happy & colourful Holi.
As all the evidences are given in black & white. There is no reason why KCI should not take action. But considering its past record, can anybody suggest me what options are available to make KCI take action. Whether any legal course any be taken, I want to take this matter to its logical and legal conclusion. Is KCI covered by RTI?

By: raj singh | 01 Mar 2010

badboyz
does KCI do anything about fake pedigree? In this case its only the photos which are wrong, other things like sire and dam would be true i guess.
If KCI is informed about fake pedigrees being registered will they take any action?

By: badboyz | 03 Mar 2010

Ashwani Kumar Gogar
if any body talk with milan nd billu on this

By: Ashwani Kumar Gogar | 09 Mar 2010

Justice4all
#Kapish Dev. Suggest you to use decent language as it brings bad name to the forum

Furthermore KCI will not do anything. Coz they know that everyone in this field cheats. No one is clean in this dog game.

Even you are a part of this scam now. You knew that the Rott Carlo was dead since 3 years but you kept watching puppies being sired in his name. Knowing about a fake thing and not informing the concerned authority means you are also a part.

#Raj. RTI? will it help? Nope. Who will ring the bell and spare time and money on this. Only gossipers can go ahead in this.

Issue is that people seems to take their vent out here only and not speak openly. If this was going since long why was KCI etc not informed.

Anyway this seems a big advt for Billuji etc.
People trying to make profit out of this issue stands nowhere.

By: Justice4all | 12 Mar 2010

Justice4all
#Kapish Dev. Anna my point is that everyone has cheated atleast once in this dog field. No one can say he is 100% CLEAN. There are breeders who get their bitch mated far away and then tell the stud owner that she went empty and sell the pup using other dog pedigree. Many top breeders having just 2-3 females sell hundreds of pup of their bloodline, the list goes on. So one should avoid reacting to such issues since everyone is bad in this field.
Anyway i do not have dogs but sometimes come to this website and read , but i replied since i could digest this bad-mouthing. All the best

By: Justice4all | 12 Mar 2010

Ashwani Kumar Gogar
i think justice4call is friend of these cheaters . so he is saying this.
in india apradhi aur apradhi ko bachane wale dono dosi hote hai.
kapic why r u filling sorry . u r right .
dusro me dos dhekhne se phehele khud ko dekh j4c.
i think u r also cheater thats why u dont give any information to ur self .
very funny after reading billuji . ha ha ha not good .

By: Ashwani Kumar Gogar | 15 Mar 2010

Justice4all
Mr Gogar, at the outset i would like you to learn the basic ettiquettes of how to properly use a forum and the nature of language.

did you had the guts to inform KCI and follow it up what actions they are taking? NOPE
did you confront Mr Billu etc as to why they had given such advt.? NOPE

Regarding my information i am Venkat from AP. Simply a dog lover and not any dog owner.

So see in self before going at a cafe to chat and post stupid sentences

By: Justice4all | 16 Mar 2010

Ashwani Kumar Gogar
j 4 c no need to learn me just mind ur bussenes . apna kam kar mere ko mat phadha . u r realy take side for bad persons . u know these person know about this on net . why they havent action on us because they no they r in wrong . i see ur profile this is not full .

By: Ashwani Kumar Gogar | 31 Mar 2010

raj singh
All the proofs of Billu & Milan are pasted here for every one to see & judge. Still So called Justice4all (sic) is trying to side with the accused. Also strange to see the the persons who suufered (various club members & judges) at their hands in the past ( threats of eliminations if dogs are not given CCs & BOBs) keeping mum. Even KCI seems to take no action even when case has been reported to it along with proofs.
As Mr C V Sudershan has mention in IKG the falling number of exhibits this year in various show, next year will be more dismal. If KCI remains mute spectator in this case, either fair exhibitors won't participate next yr, or they will be forced to use the same methods of intimidation, money, wine & other cheat methods( can't be mentioned at this forum) being used by this group of people, to win over the show officials.

By: raj singh | 02 Apr 2010

vikas
So all the enemy of Milan Kaler and Billu Pehlwan done this cheap thing
at their best level but from your this cheap activity I got lots off fame
and business in India.Thankyou to Dr.Devender Sangwan,Sanjay Kapoor.
Everybody know that what you are Mr.Sangwan.If you and your dogs dont
have gutts then why are you doing this dog breeding business.
Your English Mastiff dogs are not producing from last 2 years and whole north India Know that.
In this month you purchased 2 english mastiff puppies and sold them in U.P.
and you told them that both puppies are belongs from your dog but your dog is producing nothing.
So please Sangwan improve your way of doing business.
Now You are nothing in dog breeding Business compare to Milan Kaler and Billu Pehlwan and
Mr. Sangwan your dogs also nothing compare to Milan Kaler & Billu Pehlwan's dogs.
I know their dogs decrease your business. you was on top in english mastiff breed
but right now you are in last.you are well educated but you dont have manners
and you dont know how to do business.
You have a rank of doctor thats why customers beleive on you.
I challenge you that with out this rank you cant sale english mastiff single puppy.





By: vikas | 25 Apr 2010

vikas
Billu pehlwan's dogs beats your dogs from last two years Mr.Devender Sangwan.
Corado sinko Zemplina won 13 BOB last year and your dog won 1 Bob only 1 Mr.Devender Sangwan.
In this year Deadly Night Shade won 8 BOB.
When he was not having english mastiff dog that time Billu Pehlwan was your friend and your
relations was very good with Billu but now he is your enemy.now why you hate him?
just because he is having excellent English Mastiff dog compare to your dog.That time your
monopoly in english mastiff was very good but now you are Nil just because Billu's dog producing
ultimate puppies and your dogs doing noting they are inputent.Thats why you have purchased a
Labrador dog instead of English Mastiff.
This is not the way to show off your jealousy and enemity.Just do your own business.

Other thing is that you wrote all these blady comments on Billu Pehlwan and Milan Kaler from different
names just to Decrease goodwill of these person but i want to tell you have made them famous in whole
india cause they nothing know about computer.

Last year you have a female name Sangwan Dropsy wich have won 2 CC in Amritsar and 1 in Kanpur.
From the same bitch You have made 2 more bitches Champion.In gurgoan the entry was Sangwan Tara but
you have showed this bitch Dropsy.In Delhi show also entry was of Sangwan Claubia and the bitch was showed
the same Dropsy.


Same condition is with your dogs
The dog Sangwan Raja was not in Patiala then from where he got the winnings of Patiala show.There were Only
three dogs.And every breeder is aware about all these things.

You have also said that Billu use his muscle power why he will do this.His dogs are having ability to
win under foriegn judges and as well as indian judges.
you have done this in gurgoan dog show under sharad sharma(judge).
and now if you want to show your cheap intellegence further that means you are totaly defeated in this game.



By: vikas | 25 Apr 2010

vikas
I am not commenting on you as you know that these all things which we have written are 100% true.And all breeders know this.

By: vikas | 26 Apr 2010

vikas
Thankx to all my friends who have written in favour of me on dogspot as i have got too much prestige in my business and everybody knows me at this time due to your good efforts.I know very well that in business line when a person goes too much up then every compiteter wants to decline his goodwill his relation with customers and etc. but at this time people are very intellegent that why all these persons are favouring them tooo much and they are not writing anything against them because they have no time for these all stupidities.these are the persons who wants to show them self as a great dog breeder even they dont have any knowledge about the dogs.
my dear friends if you want to make any dog deal with these persons please go and see their dogs and then only you go ahead.After seeing all these things you will judge who is froud and who is legal.these fellows have also made fake police case on us but the police has given clean chit to us.

By: vikas | 26 Apr 2010

vikas
In next show season there will be a surprise for my dog lover friends.that the most winning dogs will be from our breeding male and female english mastiff.You will see the quality which my dogs have produced in last two years.The actual game in this breed begins from this next show season.Mr. sangwan has already sold many pups from my breeding indirectly.

By: vikas | 26 Apr 2010

vikas
I think that the time you wasting in all these stupidties if you will give this much time to your dogs i hope that they will do something in show rings and mating(stud) also.so please as a good friend i hope that you will do very good from my instructions.the difference between you and me is that i want to do good for you and you want to ......................... fake old man

By: vikas | 26 Apr 2010

Gaurav
Request users to maintain the decorum of the website. Personal remarks and other comments in derogatory language will be deleted from the forum.

By: Gaurav | 26 Apr 2010

Dr Devender Sangwan
Dear Mr Vikas

Thanking for bringing me in limelight and giving me undeserved importance. But you critaris for selecting me baffles. Mr Amit Gowda, Rakesh Verma, Dr Lokesh, Mr Anil Nehra, Mr Anil Sangwan and young, energetic & resourceful duo of Mandeep & Nishant are well ahead of me in showing & breeding mastiffs. Please explain why you chose me.

You wrote on this thread but choes to ignore the basic points on which this blog is based:
-Use of wrong photo in IKG Adv
-Use of dog as stud during P Registration.
-Voilation of ruled regarding winning CCs.

However you raised certain points to I feel compelled to answer one-by-one.
1)- Your comment suggests that you believe in-"Kya hua agar Badnaam hua, Naam to hua". If your mental faculties can't distinguish between a 'Bad Publicity. & .Good Publicity., may GOD bless you with batter mind.

2)-Regarding potacy of my dogs. Ist you don't know the difference between Impotancy & Sterilty. But I can understand your mental level, I understood what you wanted to say. Who are you to give this certificate? Are you qualified enoughfor this?
Anyhow, I have Andy & his 2 daughters, Don & his daughter. I invite to get the DNA tested for varification of parentage. If parentage is found, I shall leave dog keeping completely. If it is found to be true, potancy of my dogs will be cnfirmed, then what will you & your mentors choose for yourself? If your females are given services for one reason or the other9 reasons are known to allmost every one here), sweet grapes turn sour.

3) Ragrding BOB wins, last year whereever your Corado & my dogs competed, BOBS were shared one each in every show except in Delhi where you dog lost in both rings & my dogs lost in both rings at Chandigarh. For me, your dog winning CCs in absence of my dogs in meaningless. Moat important was loses of your impoerted to my Bred-inIndia dogs eg Sangwan's Ziggo & Sangwan's Aflatoon.

4)Regarding shows this yrs, about identity of dogs, KCI has made microchiping compulsary for this reason only. Were you sleeping at show ground? You could have asked the show secretary to verify the authantcity of the dog bt scanner. Whether you are right or wrong could have been settles there only,. Why making noise now'

5) Regading Lab. I have been amongest pets since 1965. We have kept & changed a few breeds like: Tibetin Mastiff, Gaddi, Bakkarwar, GSD, Doberman, Meo. Mastiff, Greatdane, Pugs, Min Pin, Rough Collie, Alasken Malamute, Bullmastiffs, Dalmatians & Mastiffs. Now Lab. Do you want to take (dis)credit for all changes of breeds. I am the master of my own sweet will. I shall decide what I want to keep & what I don't want to keep. For you kind information, I have bought one more Lab malein UK. Want to take credit for this also!

May GOD bless you with sanity


By: Dr Devender Sangwan | 26 Apr 2010

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