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What are Alsatian.?

What are Alsatian.
By Selwyn Johnstone · 03 Feb 2009 8:12 pm


By Dinkar Singh · 04 Feb 2009 10:12 am
In olden days, in India Alsations if what one heard of only, that is say 30 odd years ago. Basically an Alsation as per my understanding is a German Sheperd with less of a hairy or long coat as seen in todays show dog/ German Sheperds. Alsations also did not only have a fixed shade of Black and tan as seen in today german Sheperds. Another point is the body. If you see a German Sheperd, from a lay mans views, its back seems a bit curved and a bit down at the hind legs, however the Alsation/ Olden days German Sheperd had a straight back and propositioned legs like the front or like when you see any other dog.

The above are just some points that I have tried to explain in simple words as per my knowledge.

People have changed various breeds or developed various breeds so that the dog can do the job man wanted it to do. Now a Alsation or German Sheperd is basically a sheperd/ a dog to guard and look after the flock of sheep and help in rounding them up for humans. The new or current German Sheperd has been changed over the years and now they are not really suited for Sheperd work due to the shape they have been currently been or developed into (the mordern day german sheperd) to suit our eyes and fancy.

This can be seen in various breeds. What they were actually developed for and now what they have become in order to suit our eyes.
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By Rana Atheya · 04 Feb 2009 10:43 am
Kasmada: There is no Physical Difference between Alsatian and German Shepherd Dog.

I will repeat my previous blog here:

I have orally cleared this confusion many times to the dog lovers and general public aas well.

You will find people telling that there is difference in color between alsatian and german shepherd. Some people act further intelligent to tell structural differences. Few say it is the size difference.

There is NO difference between a German Shepherd Dog and an Alsatian.

The original name is German shepherd Dog. During the world war britishers named it Alsatian, after the German French border area of Alsace-Lorraine.

In 1977, post numerous campaigns by breeders the name of the breed was changed back to German Shepherd Dog; known as GSD in the short form.

On which there is a comment

There is no such breed as an Alsatian, there never was and still is not as of today. The breed 'German Shepherd Dog' is the correct name of the American German Shepherds that are registered here in America. The Breed 'German Shepherd' was accepted as a breed in the british shows.
The name Alsatian was only a nick name that was used to identify dogs who resembled the mixed wolf/dog which was a disgust (or suppose to be) as a slang or 'bad name'. This nick name or name calling of the German sheep herding dog was used to spit in the face of the german people and country. Alsatian was never a breed of dog and still is not today. An Alsatian is a person who was born in the town of Alsace.

All dictionaries and encyclopedias or other so called informative information sites are wrong in calling the gsd the same as the alsatian dog. there is no such thing as an alsatian dog breed and i really wish it would be stricken from the books. no where is the word Alsatian registered..... or RECORDED to be that of the German Sheepherding dog.

Link: https://www.dogspot.in/differe nce-between-alsatian-and-germa n-shepherd-dog-gsd/
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By Dinkar Singh · 04 Feb 2009 11:41 am
With all due respect to your opinon. I dont totally agree to you, as for structural difference I mean the Alsation/ German Sheperd dog say about 50 or more odd years ago and the current Alsation/ German Sheperd. There is a difference may be slight to some, as I have seen pictures of dogs of those times and now. During the 2nd World War these dogs were popularly seen in India with the Well to do and the Maharajas.

I think my comments will be partly or fully reconfirmed by my idol/ icon the famous Dog lover, breeder and Judge Nawab Nazeer Yar Jung. And it was at the Bareily Dog Show a few years ago when I had this conversation with him and then during the Prize giving he further went into detail regarding this topic and also gave examples of various other dog breeds and how they have been made to change.

I am no German Sheperd expert or breeder but I too love dogs and they are my passion, and like to keep full knowledge of various dog breeds. My Grandfather was particularly fond of Lab. and German Sheperds/ Alsations and had a few German Sheperds/ Alsations and Lab. before and after the 2nd World War. Everyone has their own opinion and so do I from my reading and experience.
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By Anil @ DoggiesDude · 05 Feb 2009 12:02 am
i have not much knowledge of this breed standards but know a bit about the history.Don't be fooled by the name "Alsatian". The correct name for this wonderful breed is the "German Shepherd Dog". The name Alsatian was used during the two world wars in order not to offend anyone unconnected to Germany. The answer is very definitely that there is no difference.This is what my few German friends have told me....
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By Dinkar Singh · 05 Feb 2009 10:23 am
I am not disputing the fact about the breed. I am trying to throw light on the evolution of various breeds not from wolf to dog but internally within any dog breed over a time say 50 or 100 odd years or longer. I am just stating a fact which is informative for dog lovers as mentioned earlier and written below:

For those really interested in how some breeds have been changed over years, may be slightly because people now prefer it a bit bigger or leaner depending on the breed. I have various dog books passed on to me by my Great Grand Mother as we are a family of dog lovers and it is interesting to see dog breed pictures in those books published in the Uk stating standards of particular dog breeds and seeing what the current standards are now. For example one should see IKG Oct 2007. It has pictures of Sieger's of the past to the current and one can see how in the past GSD had a straighter back as compared to the current day GSD.

Similarly if you see the Great Dane, again a product of Germany. This breed was used for hunting wild boars (pigs). The German Great Dane I personally prefer as they are larger and heavier, but in India and some other countries the American Great Dane is prefered, which is leaner. Same is the case for Boxers- European vs American.

I have gone a bitter deeper into dog history etc. which most people do not and are not interested in. Only true dog lovers do. Hope the above is informative to true dog lovers.
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By Andy · 15 Feb 2009 1:31 pm
During the world war GSD impressed Britishers so much by the superior service the breed is providing to the German military in the war that they(British) decided to use them for the same purpose.But do not want to face it that they will be using german originating breed that is better suited than all of their breeds for that type of work.Hence the name Alsation comes into effect. One interesting thing though,GSD is only called Alsation in Britain and the countries ruled by it ,never in US or Russia etc.
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