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I am a trained Canine Behaviour Counselor based in Bangalore, anyone want help?

Hi, My name is Natasha. I am a trained Canine Behaviour Counselor based in Bangalore. If you have dogs with doggy problems like chewing up things, barking constantly, etc or you have puppies who need help - please do contact me. My practise/ business is called "Wags". For more information please visit www.facebook.com/natashawags
By natasha chandy · 25 May 2010 7:12 pm

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By Gopal Krishna · 26 May 2010 9:42 am
good to see you natasha... dogspot would love to have your expert comments in forum...
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By Shalin · 26 May 2010 1:04 pm
i have a problem with my 11 months old boxer who is not protective towards me??? what couold be the reason??
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By natasha chandy · 26 May 2010 7:08 pm
Hi Shalin,
Are you based in B'lore? Is it possible for you to call me please @ 09632221061? I would need a set of facts before I can suggest to you a solution.
Regards,
Natasha
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By natasha chandy · 26 May 2010 7:08 pm
Thank you Gopal
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By Tushar Kanchan · 26 May 2010 9:26 pm
Hi Natasha
I am from Mumbai, I own a 16 month old lab, till what age is a dog receptive to training. Is it true that older dogs can be trained for a longer period as they have a better attention span.

Can a lab trained as a protection dog or guard dog ? Can you give some tips on dogspot as u are a canine behaviour consultant.

Thanks Natasha
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By natasha chandy · 27 May 2010 9:37 am
Hi Tushar,
There are no stereotypes in the dog world - just like there aren't in any other species :)
Dogs can learn at any age - depending on the owner, the particular dog, and the trainer - if you take the services of one. The attention span of a dog does not increase automatically with age. It increases if the dog has constantly been challenged and taught through play and practice.
Certain breeds may take longer to learn certain behaviour. There are Labrador Retrievers who have been trained to become guard dogs but they were originally bred to bring back hunted birds, mostly from water bodies. I would say its acceptable to hope that your dog learns to warn you if someone strange has entered your house/ locality though please know it depends on the personality of your dog. Find a trainer who uses NO force, or hurtful methods to train. Insist to work with your dog, and the trainer - please do not allow the trainer to train your dog by him/her self.
Regards,
Natasha
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By Gopal Krishna · 28 May 2010 5:56 pm
Natasha as you are a behavior consultant I would like to ask something... what you think about treat training, clicker training and the prong collar training??? I personally believe in non treat methods because it makes dog very much food motivated and most of the time dogs starts to beg... I am also into dog behavior and training but just as a hobby not in a professional way. I would love to discuss more with you and others in order to enhance my knowledge.
regards
Gopal
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By Tushar Kanchan · 28 May 2010 8:45 pm
Hey Natasha Thanks for your response.

Yes i agree with you gopal, i too have experienced this, my lab will obey when he sees a treat, but will not obey much when there is no treat offered, especially outdoor, when there is more distraction , he will not come on command. Can you provide some tips on - How to come on call

Thanks Gopal / Natasha


Tushar
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By Gopal Krishna · 28 May 2010 10:40 pm
What is the age of your Lab??? and before writing a the method I would like to know do you know how to use a chock chain or prong collar.And how do you feel about that. frankly from my experience and knowledge Its really very hard to train a dog to have a total off leash with full distraction without a prong collar and choke chain. Most of the people find this cruel but trust me "a right tool in right person's hand makes him an artist" if you want that and dont know how to use then seek for the professional help and find a good trainer near you. its hard to explain everything without a demo.
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By Gopal Krishna · 29 May 2010 9:56 am
I guess you are not clear with the Prong collar ( please see the prong collar on google) and i assume that you are just using a flat collar.

prong collar are more effective than choke chain. as it cause less damage to neck muscle and wind pipe if not used precisely... and also prong collar imitate the dog bite on a dog's neck.

whether you are using a choke chain or prong collar the idea of correction is marking the wrong behavior and giving a quick snap. (give a jerk and release)


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WARNING: Anytime you feel unsure about the use of prong collar or choke chain
please stop using it seek for the professional help else it could be dangerous for
your dog.
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By Gopal Krishna · 29 May 2010 10:05 am
also these collar are for training purpose dont put it on when you are not around your dog. these collar should not be used as regular collar. again i will tell you all if you are not sure please dont use it.

***prong collar are not supposed to fit loose on neck and be sure it cant slip over head else it will cause eye injury
*** always give the snap side ways to the back of dog it will cause neck injury.


I am really waiting for Natasha's valuable inputs. as she is a professional
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By Hameed Sulaiman · 29 May 2010 2:08 pm
Guys I have trained my lab with prongs you do not want to do that. Prongs are great training tools they worked like a magic to me no pulling and all commands were obeyed with just the signal and stay command was perfect with him, until I realized that its was causing him stress. I read many articles that stress is a side effect of prong collar training by everyone experts and rookies. I learned to use prong collar from a guy named The Dog Father awesome guy but the price is I put my dog in stress and I feel guilty I removed the prong two months ago but still my lab obeys me even at a hand signal, but the guilt in my heart is never gone. As you said "a right tool in right person's hand makes him an artist" you can use treat training and clicker training and be an artist. I used clicker training on my friends Rotty and he is doing great just like in the Prong collar but the thing is His dog is happy during training sessions. Prong does not cause pain to dogs though they look terrible. If you still want to use prongs please import in the ones available here are not as how a prong should function even though they look the same. I hope I helped in some way.
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By Gopal Krishna · 29 May 2010 2:32 pm
I have not much idea about the clicker training but i am totally against the treat training. I have tried the treat training but it was turning the dog into a greedy one and when you reduce the treat the find other distraction or try to ignore you when you command them. Prong are the great tool and for this training you have to be a good at it. the right correction at right time and the proper praise makes the training perfect but it should be done properly.

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I will suggest not to use prong training without a professional help. though you can use them as a collar to stop the dog pulling on leash because its not required expert hand. dog automatically get a correction when they pull leash.
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By natasha chandy · 29 May 2010 10:10 pm
Hello All,
The most efficient way to keep a dog from barking would be to put a muzzle on him. The most efficient way to keep a dog from digging would be to put him in a cage. etc...

The point I'm making is the use of brute force to get dogs to understand what we want from them is no longer suitable especially since we know their species so much better.

Fear is a great motivator for anyone, for any species, to learn. But then there is no room for trust and faith.

The method of reward based motivational training seems at first glance like it would result in dogs begging but if done properly it does not.

Regards,
Natasha
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By Hameed Sulaiman · 30 May 2010 4:57 am
My point is only this, prong collar is a great tool, but even an expert or the guy who invented prongs uses it on a dog it causes stress to the dog Certain dogs may show their stress certain won't, no physical injury just stress. Its just like parents forcing the 5 year old kids to get first rank in class and participate in everything and such things. While every parent has their point the ultimate result is those kids are going through stress. With that said a choke chain can cause injury as well as stress. Treat training done properly eliminates begging and gives full control over your dog. Natasha I disagree the most efficient way to keep a dog from barking is to teach him to bark on command and stop on command. you can not have your dog muzzled 24 hours a day. Clicker training is as same as treat training but here instead of praising you just click, so your dog stays more focused on the clicker and not on the food.
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By Gopal Krishna · 30 May 2010 5:55 am
@ Hameed yes i totally understand your point of view. but its a very controversial topic to discuss. i guess maximum Schutzhund trainer uses a prong collar.

yes dog gets negative feed when its not used properly but trust me if your dogs gets the proper reward in term of petting cuddling... they will never be stressed. a wrong correction could also cause stress because of confuse state of mind.

@natasha
when dog is in its natural habitat do their pack leader offer them food for following him and doing what he want???? the answer is NO. its all about respect and authority and its my personal experience when you will try to bribe your dog with treat you make the dog demanding and giving food to dog is like submission. that is why we practice various thing like stopping the dog from eating for a minute or two when food is in the bowl. this also build the alpha position. alpha dogs do the same with their pack.
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By natasha chandy · 30 May 2010 9:39 am
@ Hameed - I think you completely misunderstood what I said. I gave the examples of muzzling, caging as being as INEFFICIENT as prong collars, or any other training technique which uses force and coercion, etc.
I know for a fact that reward based motivational training and the clicker technique work most efficiently - not only in order to train pet dogs but also assistance dogs, sniffer dogs, and even for agility training dogs.

@ Gopal - Respect needs to be earned. True respect when earned, never results in fear/ stress in anyone. You might want to read some latest discussions and reports being conducted by Behaviorists across the UK and US. Its being argued that "pack leaders" almost NEVER show aggression as a means to ensure their position. That the "pack leaders" in fact are very calm, and of course very skilled - in order to provide protection, food security and maintaining order in the pack.

Please understand that reward based training uses food treat, praise, pat, play to motivate the dog NOT only food. The design in which you give any or all of the above rewards is scientifically proven, I know it works.

None of the programs I give out have any element of force in them, and I deal with families who are highly stressed themselves because their dog is misbehaving and acting out. I have seen my programs show positive results without use of any force.
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By Gopal Krishna · 30 May 2010 10:29 am
I am not telling that the clicker is not an effective training.
and about the discussion and report across the UK and USA I have read few of them. The trainer who trains with treat, or who train with the prong or who train with clicker they all says my method is best that is why I projected this topic. you are a professional and I wanted to have your opinion. as well as others. even trainer like Cesar Millan says that the prong is a good tool.

I am not telling that the you are wrong but as I have read, examined and experienced... the dog specially some big dogs with a strong will is very hard to train.
My baby got bite invasion: and what i did I put her down on the floor and hold her on the ground firmly followed by "no" and when she is do not bite she gets a lot of petting and licking time not she is almost done with her biting. and she is not fearful at all... she is a very high willed dog and falls in a dominant category.
dog pack leader never did research on training this is their method. the submission is the respect in the dog worlds.

I never tried clicker training but I would like to know what would you do if a dog is possessive about his food and growls, attack when somebody is around or when a dog is obsessed by a cat chase... these are few of the tough cases... what would you do in these cases???

could you suggest me some Institute & books and author on dog training
specially Schutzhund.
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By Hameed Sulaiman · 31 May 2010 12:43 pm
@ Gopal go for Leerburg ebooks and videos for Schutzhund. I understand for CERTAIN dogs Prongs are a must. but they are not the only and most effective tool for perfect training. With all that said I love prongs, but its not for every person and not for every dog. A Dominant Labrador can be managed my a Prong and an sweet tempered Rotty can be dealt with just treats. Well as for the Statement "dog is very much food motivated and most of the time dogs starts to beg" this is only a result of poorly done treat training. A properly done treat training does not have this effect( if you want proof you can visit my house and i can show you how my labs are). And I still stand with my point whoever maybe a professional, a rookie or the guy who invented prong uses Prong, it causes stress to the dogs(source whole dog journal) now we all know they know more than you or I know. With that said I have read and it is true that a dominant dog it most cases can only be handled with a Prong.
I am not recommending the Use of Prong or Denying the Use of, If you chose to use prong collar then do your own research, Do what you feel is right for the situation. I am just trying to bring out the facts. I hope I helped someone with this information.
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By Gopal Krishna · 31 May 2010 6:55 pm
Like I said before Right tool in right hand could do miracle :) even i am not against the treat if a dog does well on treat why to use prong... usually dogs get a habit of begging in treat training... we should always look for dogs comfort; but above all we should always discipline our dogs... a disciplined dog is a happy dog an gets all the freedom...

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By Isaac Chenkual · 02 Jun 2010 9:53 pm
hi natasha i have a golden retriever and GSD mix are they good for training have you seen any of this two breed mix, what are they like ?
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By natasha chandy · 03 Jun 2010 6:42 pm
Hi Isaac,
Is it a male or female? When did you bring him home and how old is he now?

Both breeds are considered very intelligent and very confident. They are most commonly used as working dogs so that just goes to show how well your dog could respond to training. They are willing to learn.

I would suggest you just focus on the traits your dog presents and use them for your benefit.

Fetch and retrieve games could be a perfect reward for training for your dog. Make sure you keep away toys once you're done training as both breeds can get quite possessive and protective about things they like [though of course I don't know your dog and hence I could be totally wrong here].

Have fun, don't worry and just start training!
Natasha
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By Isaac Chenkual · 03 Jun 2010 10:01 pm
well thanks natasha for your answer my dog is female and i brought her when she was 2 and half months she is now 5 months, i taught him some tricks well maybe around 3 or 4 tricks she seems to do well , and i think you are quite right about toys and chewing things of this breed she like to chew all the furniture she sees and shoes, shocks etc... what should i do about her habid of chewing things? i bought him some bone to chew but she hide it when we are not looking like under mat, dustbin, caushion so what is your suggestion on this.
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