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I was just going through few articles for dog obedience and came across two schools of thoughts?

I was just going through few articles for dog obedience and came across two schools of thoughts. 1. A dog must be lured into following commands using treats. 2. A dog must be corrected for not following the commands. My pup is just over 3 months old and I am trying the first method to teach him to come to me on command. The problem is that when I call him, he may or may not come if he sees a treat in my hands however he would not come if there isn't any treat in my hands. My question to fellow members is which of the two methods do you find more effective in getting the desired results.
By El Bandito · 18 Jan 2011 9:17 pm

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By Dinkar Singh · 19 Jan 2011 9:59 am
The treat is the best option to train ur pup and you are doing the right thing of starting training at the right age.

When u use a treat dont show him the treat like go go the horse if u have heard of that. the treat has to be something really nice that he likes and does not get on a regular basis. Training needs patience and has to be done for very short bursts like 2 minutes only or so, otherwise the pet will loose interest. Another way for training the come command is tying along thin rope to your long and then call him if he does not come pull the rope a bit. You cannot train the puppy overnight so remember that too

I do not believe in training my hitting a dog if that is what you mean by correcting the dog. By hitting a dog you can make it shy or even a fearful bitter which u will have problems later on.

It is not necessary to give treats to eat while training. Just praising and petting ur dog a lot when he does what you want will make the dog happy. Dogs basically want to please their owners.

All The Best !!
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By KamalRaj J Kuppal · 19 Jan 2011 10:22 am
I use point no.1 which works very well for my puppy (lab). Try this method it may help you, take some nice treat in your pockets (preferable Marie gold biscuit works better, chicken kabab/liver fry is best) stay close to your pup and give biscuit and tell his name, then go two steps far from you puppy and tell his name by showing treat, when he approach you give the treat, then go again far two steps and follow the same method mentioned above for about 5 - 10 mins thrice a day, In day two take four steps instead of two steps and follow the same method. Do it for one week by increasing the distance and you will see some improvement.
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By El Bandito · 19 Jan 2011 6:23 pm
Basically I went through few "YouTube" videos and also read Maran Illustrated Dog Training. After watching those videos there seems to be a vacuum left behind as they use already trained dogs and they do not address the issues when both trainer and trainee are new to the field of training. I meant the methods used by Don Sulivan to train the dog using pinch collar or command collar.
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By Navjot Singh · 23 Jan 2011 5:49 pm
Hi El, your dog is food driven which can be utilised as a tool during training sessions. Obediance is something which your dog can imbibe in a course of time. Whenever your dog obeys your order like if you ask him to sit and he does sit down, try to award him by fedding him the best food, like cookies. If the dog does anything wrong like using his teeth, then use very gestures like waving hand and saying nooooo. Do this repeatedly. When he responses by stop biting, award him right and there by giving some cookies. This really works.
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By El Bandito · 25 Jan 2011 10:14 am
I got this answer from Mark D\' Costa in response to my question. Somehow it did not got published here so I am re-posting it for the benefit of everyone.
"Hello El, this is Mark ( dog trainer and dog behaviour consultant). Luring a dog and correcting a dog are just part of various methods to to train dogs. Dogs are basically categorized into 2 drives, one is food and the other is prey ( eg toys, chasing etc). When traing do not stick only to luring. Becuse thet will be a stage when u will have to teach commands from a distance and luring/tossing a treat at great distances is impossible. so a toy is used in such cases. You must develope the knack for creating thses 2 drives in your dog and keep them balnaced, as they are very usefull. Talking about corrections ( no physical hitting ofcourse). A dog must be allowed in certain cases to commit a mistake as this gives you a chance to correct a dog, but use negative re-inforcement such as denial of food treat, giving a loud authoratative \\\"no\\\" command, ignoring when dog shows wrong behaviour. But the beuaty of corrections is you should know when to correct a dog. If the dog does not know what you want it to do, the how can u correct a dog. In this case we let the dog make a mistake and then correct him and show him the actual desired behaviour. when the behaviour is done, the food/toy/verbal praise/physical touch reward is given....sorry if I have bored you but i tend to really get carried away when it comes to dog training."
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By Mark D\'Costa · 14 Feb 2011 8:50 pm
Hello El, Thanks for postingmy comment. somewhere there was glitch and that post did not find its way. Glad to assit in training questions
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By sindhoor · 04 Mar 2011 9:27 am
Corrective training can be very frustrating for both owner and dog. When you start yelling at your dog, your dogs instinct is to calm himself and you down. One of the calming signals your dog could use is to just freeze over. Owners mistake this for the dog being adamant and yell more. The dog freezes even more thus creating too much tension and stress.

Rewards are a great way to get your dog to do what you want him to do. Do not limit to just food. When your dog follows commands, also express a lot of joy and excitement. Initially your dog will not know what all the partying is for but will just feel happy and skip and wag his tail. Soon he starts having a positive association with his action. When he follows a command he just automatically feels happy about it and does not really need a treat. Whenever our boxer does her potty in the designated area she is thrilled to bits and starts doing a little dance and is not really sure why :)

And please, don't expect your little baby puppy to get it right at all times. He is sooo young. Give him space. Celebrate the few times he gets it right. Have patience when he does not (any reaction at this point is bad as your dog looks at it as attention and will crave it. remember your dog will crave negative attention too). Just enjoy the training and let him enjoy too. It should be a game for both of you at this stage and let him enjoy his puppy hood. Your intentions are right, so your puppy will be fine in the long run. For now have fun :)
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By El Bandito · 13 Mar 2011 8:19 pm
Thanks for the guidance, I am using rewards to get him to focus in the right direction and I can say that it can be very testing on one's patience. What I have achieved so far with a little success is to get him to walk without leash. Can any one tell me how can I get him to not pick up the eatables from the ground. Is there a way to achieve this without resorting to the muzzle.
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By sindhoor · 25 Mar 2011 2:56 pm
Please be extremely careful with walking a dog off the leash. India is quite crowded and driving is erratic. Only reason I point this out is that our puppy was put through hell for a minute off leash. Dogs will be dogs and there will be a day something will excite them and they will decide to run a little. If you have any luck like mine, your dog could get hurt very bad. Our puppy is still struggling because a car ran over her face. So, again, please be VERY careful about letting your dog off the leash. Most times, it is just not worth the suffering it can cause
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By sindhoor · 01 Apr 2011 12:44 pm
Also, please don't get frustrated while training your dog. Dogs can sense frustration in their owners. When they sense frustration dogs try to calm themselves down and calm you down. Dogs try to calm you down by looking away from you, walking away from you or just freeze up. If they get even more nervous of you, they try to pull on the leash and run away from you. So it is VERY important not to lose patience when leash training your dog. Try reminding yourself that your puppy is just a little baby and is trying hard to please you. But it is difficult for him to understand the rules of your world and he is trying his best.

Please do NOT muzzle your dog. You can train him not to eat things in a very easy way:
Step 1: Start this at home or a very quiet place. Jiggle a bunch of keys. When your dog looks up at you, praise him and treat him. Do this 3 to 5 times to start with. Do it about 2 or 3 times a day. Keep repeating for about a week. He will then learn that jiggling keys means he will get a treat.
Step 2: Try the same step as above, but in a place with little more distractions (example: parking lots at night, or parks at night, when there are not many people). Repeat for a week. He will learn to concentrate on your sound.
Step 3: Same step as above, but during the day in a quiet street. Do not repeat for more than 5 minutes at a time. Slowly increase the number of times you do this. Do for a week.
Step 4: Start trying on your walk, on the more quiet roads. If he starts smelling something, jiggle your keys and treat him. Slowly start doing this on busy streets as well.

Once he is responding well to the key sound, you can start reducing the treats. But do not completely cut off treats, as he has to know that you will eventually treat him. Also use very tasty treats like pieces of paneer, so that he is highly motivated to look up.

Despite this, sometimes he might still get distracted. When this happens, just calmly walk up to him, and gently turn his head towards you and guide him to walk away from what is distracting him. But please do not muzzle your dog. Muzzles can get painful, cause eye problems and cause behavioural problems in dogs. It is not humane. There are more pleasant ways to fix this issue so that you and your puppy share a great relationship.
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I just want obedience and house breaking training for my pup.how much time should be required for any trainer to train him according to you?
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