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The question is whether to vaccinate or not annually?Does it harm the dog growth and health ?

Hi, The question is whether to vaccinate or not annually?Does it harm the dog growth and health ?
By PRADEEP KOUSHIK · 25 Feb 2010 5:36 pm

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By bhartan · 26 Feb 2010 12:05 pm
Hello Pradeep,

In my personal opinion. Vets grossly over-vaccinate dogs. Recent research by honest people in the field says that the two popular vaccines called 7/8 in 1 (in common talk) and vaccination against rabies should only be administered only once in three years to an adult dog.
Vaccination comes with a risk. There have been instances of cancerous tumors and general immunity in dogs declining as a result of over vaccination.

I would say we vaccinate our companions but not indiscreetly.

Best wishes,

Bhartan
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By Runni · 26 Feb 2010 1:44 pm
Every vaccine comes with its own terms & conditions. While certain vaccines can prevent diseases for 1 yr or so, others can do that for life time. So depending on this one should decide how often a vaccine should be administered.
Vaccines has nothing to do with growth. But improper/lack of vaccination can result in loss of its activity & thus that particular disease can still occur even if ur dog was vaccinated against that disease. So I guess vets play on the safe side & repeat every vaccination annually. As long as all the vaccines are not given at the same time & ur dog is not allergic to certain vaccine, annual vaccination will not affect ur pups growth.
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By PRADEEP KOUSHIK · 26 Feb 2010 3:20 pm
Well Runni,am sorry if question is not clear.We all know what vaccine cos want us to believe.I am searching for answers beyond it.Your experiences for example.Or Corona virus non existant in India,has the major cost in the vaccinations we give to our dogs etc.
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By Runni · 26 Feb 2010 3:33 pm
Thanx for the clarification. If u ask about my experience then I have one to share. I almost lost my mixed breed pup to pervo. She was not vaccinated. She got the infection the moment I went to Delhi. All the pets were sick with pervo & my pup also got it. It was a near escape. Most interesting thing was that the pets who didnt get boosters for pervo were also sick.
She recovered & I came back to Shimla. Didnt took risk with my gsd pup as I do go to Delhi very frequently.
But I talked to many other dog owners here in shimla, they never vaccinated their dogs against pervo. This disease is very rare here & thus vaccination is alsonot very populer which is not the case in delhi.
So guess vaccination & its frequency does depend on the risk of certain diseases.
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By Anil @ DoggiesDude · 26 Feb 2010 5:08 pm
Vaccination depends upon the scope of disease in each country. In India we have parvo and rabies a lot. Hence annual vaccination is suggested. In Europe they have no history of Rabies since last 46 years, hence rabies is given only once in lifetime around 74 days of age. So Geographical and epidemic of the disease counts in the suggestion of vaccination.
Handling of vaccines is also another Important issue which i would suggest Dr Manishji can enlighten us better.He has knowledge of Homeopathic vaccines also. He might give his input if he comes across this blog.
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By PRADEEP KOUSHIK · 26 Feb 2010 6:53 pm

Thankx Anil,bharatan and Runni,
Let us take it a bit further.Russians and many Europians r simply reluctant to vaccinate their pups before 3 mo.s.Not Rabies alone but all vaccinations.So much so,that they r ready to lie to quarrentine,if they r shipping
pup below 3 mo.s.They believe it stunts growth.Runni, u sid u lost ur dog to Parvo.How r u so sure it was parvo?I in last 13 years bred 55 litters (yesterday was 56th,yorkies 6 pups.)i.e. approx.300+ pups of various breeds.There was only once 2 litters one of Afghans and another Dane total 17 pups were hit by Parvo for sure at the age of 55-65 days.Parvo is very rampant in Bangalore.U know what,3 pups that were given away
without vaccinations 2 days earlieronly survived.All remaining were vaccinated at 55 days,(10 years back the vaccinatio nwas Dura......somthing.)within 7 days all pups died inspite best possible medical treatment,by Parvo.The lab tests then confirmed them as Parvo(70 % correct) that plus so many cases were available to test at 2 different labs and a kit,the taletell symptoms and the smell I will never forget.But after that not a single case,for 10 years in my kennel till 1 year back.Parents annually vaccinated,but pups vaccinations anytime frm 45days to 5 mo.s sometimes even 7 months.No cases at all.
3 years back,I bought 100 labrador pups locally from many small breedersof age 20 days to 30 days(the owners were poor and unwilling to keep pups even for 10 days more as I offered more money for food and I wanted to vaccinate them at 25 days at my cost puppy DP,leave with their mothers for immunity to kick in and better grown pups,but they were not ready as they were afried of mortality.)All these 18 litters were seperately marked, placed in seperate crates,50 meters away from each other,6 people each was allotted 3 litters and that too through wash of hands,change of coats betwween litters.Puppy dp followed by regular 7in 1 vacc. after 3 weeks,and booster after another 3 weeks.Did not loose a single pup till they were 4 months.Rabies vacc. at 75 days was no problem.After 4 mo. the dogs were combined.No issue for another 15 days.Then leptospira hit 2 pups.Promptly isolated ,treated,and pl. note vaccinated pups for lapto.,lost 8 pups in all before it was contained.Vaccination company answer... new strains r happening ,so vaccinate ur dogs,
every 6 months.Strangely this company,perpetually goes on and off with supply of lepto.vaccine alongwith DHPPI.This is imported vaccination and every now and then is procurred from different sources.They have nothing,I repeat nothing to check the vaccine in India.So much so,in another case very recently,I had to procure Parvo kit for them.But that case we will disscuss at some other time.
Point I am making is,the vaccination itself can be a life risk,not for just unlikely reaction,but,if the pup is
infected but in incubation with vaccination it will immediately trigger.Without it ,it may or may not fall sick.
And we have no way to know if pup is infected or not.Nor vaccination co. brings out this risk.
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By Anil @ DoggiesDude · 26 Feb 2010 7:19 pm
@Pradeep
They do not rush to vaccinate before time. Every countries have different setof rules and type of vaccines required. They simply follow that. More over since Europe has Pet Passport system, things cannot be faked much.
India has rule of rabies at 90 days.
Parvo is rampant in India.
and Vaccines Manuf NEVER warranty 100% for its products coz transportation, storage also plays important role once the vaccines are out of factory.
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By bhartan · 28 Mar 2010 10:16 am
@gspal
We as pet owners need to be aware of the ignorance and maybe unscrupulous methods of most of the vets.
I hope your post will open some eyes
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By PRADEEP KOUSHIK · 28 Mar 2010 4:49 pm
Well gspal,
I went thru ur response and find it a mixed bag.Like breeders there r good bad and ugly in every profession.Generalizing all vets in one basket is not fair.
The immune bodies from mother to pups thru her milk is called collastrum and can penetrate puppies guts and make to its blood only for first 3 days,after that it is not much useful even it is in milk.Also the antibodies count fighting the killer deseases certainly increase if mother is vaccinated.
Now that almost everybody seems to agree that as the killer deseases as they r,vaccinations r also not angels,but known devil.Question is how do we choose between rock and the hard place? Yes, the vaccinations do cause certain problems and carry risks,but then if we read cautions on every medicine,we simply can not use them at all.Where is the golden mean? How can we make it better or safer?
Lastly I would like to add it is not fair to blame for the sorry state of affairs to vets.
Look at this angle,like any profession it has to sustain the human being and the dependents.R we ready to spend as much as one of our family member's illness treatment for our dog?No, not everyone even if one can afford.We still want free samples, we would treat our dogs with the medication last time vet gave for skin problem.We do nor care to train our dog from puppyhood to beheave while vet is examining.Why,we hv not trained ourselves to hold the dog while vet gives an injection.Safety of vet is last thing on our mind.
If the vet practice is not prospering,how and where from the best talents,resourses,equipments and experties going to come?We hv reduced our vets to merely vaccinations,dog food, calcium ,toyes and leashes seller, havn't we?Will u pay for blood bank,or blood transfusion?How did we miss out the sick puppies quietly left at vet shop by so called pet lovers?Did u not see most vets whether government or private spend from their pockets every month for such cases ? I strongly feel victimising either vet or breeder is in no way a balanced view.
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By gspal · 28 Mar 2010 9:45 pm
My experience with vets in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, is that they know little to nothing of canines or felines. They only know how to make an extra buck over and above their Governmental Animal Husbandry jobs of looking after bovines. Knowing well that a client will factor in costs of a titer study versus the cheaper way out of an annual vaccine, the vets are able to push the annual vaccines by quoting Intravet or other vaccine manufacturers' recommendations. They will recommend supplements off their shelf without a blood test for any particular deficiency. For example, pet owners generally think that dogs may eat cow dung or horse manure because they are deficient in calcium. The vet will gladly sell Pet Cal off the shelf that may have a long-term risk of dogs developing calculi in the kidneys or gallbladder or urethra. The owners do not realize that canines are scavengers who may like the taste of excreta though need to be kept away from it less they catch some disease.

How many of you know that pups should not be taken away from their mothers until they are eight weeks old because up to that time the mother's milk is pumping antibodies and other food that puppies need? This is nature's way for all mothers and their children and/or litters. These antibodies pump up the immune system in the pups. These antibodies have nothing to do with whether the bitches were vaccinated or not. Therefore, any vaccine given up until they are six months old is waste of money. Yet advertisements on sale of puppies state that they had been vaccinated at two months of age! I know a vet here who puts up the decision to the pet owner as to whether he/she wants a combined new vaccine of 8-1 with rabies included. If owners had such answers then where is the need for a vet?

In the spring of 2003, the American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA) Canine Vaccine Task Force released its vaccination guidelines that recommended three-year booster intervals in adult pet dogs for distemper virus, parvovirus, adenovirus-2, and parainfluenza virus. The WSAVA Guidelines 2007 states that immunity is for seven years and that vaccines must not be given to senior dogs. The term “senior” depends on the size of the dog. German Shepherd become senior at the age of 7-8 years while Spitz become so at the age of 10 years. Put a search for AAHA and WSAVA on Google and read all. The one website that leads to all is The one website that leads to all:
http://www.shirleys-wellness-c afe.com/index.html

The process of injecting numerous viruses at one time into the body does not mimic in any way what we would see in the natural world. There would never be such an enormous exposure to that many microorganisms at one time. These diseases have never, in the real world, occurred at one time, never. The rhythm of distemper, of polio, of measles, of influenza, of parvo, of rabies are all on a schedule. This schedule, much to the chagrin of the vet profession, is not determined by the vet profession!

The process of injecting viruses into the body is a very unnatural method of introducing viruses, with the exception of Rabies virus. Most other forms of exposure are through the mucous membranes - the nose, throat/mouth, even the eyes, which are the first line of humoral immune system. It produces the powerful immunoglobulins (IgA, IgG, IgM) which provide the first line of defense.

Another problem is the substances that are in the vaccine vials: carcinogenic formalin or formaldehyde that alter the state of the virus, mercury derivatives and aluminium. Tissues of ducks, pigs, monkeys, etc. are used to culture the viruses and such tissues can cause constant itching, inflamed bowel, and eczematous ears. Then there are adjuvants that can cause fibrosarcomas.

Senior pet dogs exposed to vaccinations can develop allergic reactions of itching and facial swelling to autoimmune disorders of anemia, platelet problems, joint diseases and even death. Perfectly healthy animals coming down with the diseases they were being vaccinated against! Vets are in a self-serving profession creating the illnesses that return later through theirs doors to be treated again!

I hope my above details are read by the various schools of veterinary sciences in India from where our vets have mushroomed.
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By gspal · 28 Mar 2010 10:25 pm
Well Pradeep Kaushik I went through your response and changed the contents of my posting. There being no facility here for editing one's post, I had to delete and replace the contents. I have gone through you profile where I find that you are a breeder selling puppies in Bangalore and that you have come out with a product branded K9 Relish. There were four to five vets here in Lucknow that I came to know of including a surgeon-cum-radiologist. While only of them suggested home food including vegetarian (as we are vegetarians by choice) the others were adamant of packed branded products like Pedigree Professional or Royal Canine and annual vaccinations. Have you ever noticed that a dog after an initial visit to any vet, hates to go to any vet clinic again? That is because they can sense/smell pain/death there. How I wish I had gone along with what my Jerry (Royal German White Male Spitz who in his prime time weighed 13-14 kg and was quite muscular) sensed because an animal's survival instincts know what is best for themselves. We humans only think that we know better having made a mess of the world we live in. It hated these dry packed foods that we forced onto it by adding some fresh milk cream or paneer or Parle Glucose Biscuits as an incentive. Either these vets are brainwashed by vaccine manufacturers and pet food & supplement manufacturers or have not kept themselves abreast of new scientific developments around the world or are just petty minded of having only their own interest of money making at heart. How I wish I had searched the Net about vaccinations before giving it its last fatal annual vaccination in July 2009 (just four months before its 13th birthday). It would have been still around giving me company. Even earlier as a senior dog, just after vaccinations when it used to develop stiff hind legs and passing stool problems, the vets just passed it off as weakness and/or age related rather than as autoimmune disorder caused by adverse reaction to vaccines and prescribed Neurobion, calcium, and Vitamin A supplements.
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